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BY WW'S BELOVED READERS | 503-243-2122

[February 27th, 2008]

I Lift My Lamp Beside the Ivory tower


In your piece about the Canadian citizen named Morgan who resides in Portland illegally [“Illegal Eh-Lien,” Feb. 20, 2008], Morgan states that “the Mexican immigrant has more right to be here than I do,” suggesting a hierarchy of groups who more or less deserve to be in the U.S. One can safely assume that most Americans believe that they themselves belong at the top of the hierarchy. Absent from the public discussion about immigration, both in Oregon and around the U.S., is serious consideration of whether this hierarchy should even exist.

R. George Wright of Indiana University has pointed out that native-born Americans have had the “undeserved good fortune to have been born in the United States.” So what right do fortunate Americans have to prohibit the less fortunate, whether they be Canadian, Mexican, or Icelandic, to live in the United States? In addition, what right do we have to determine which people have more or less the right to immigrate here? (While Morgan wouldn’t be “totally devastated,” according to your article, should he have to return to Canada, he apparently loves America and Portland, considers Portland his home, and wishes to remain here.)

Some individuals have thoughtfully considered the morality (professors Wright and Joseph Carens of the University of Toronto) and economics (the late economist Milton Friedman) of immigration policy and concluded that unrestricted immigration is the best policy (with some qualification from Professor Carens and presumably with systems to protect the U.S. from terrorists). These perspectives need to be considered more widely in order to raise the quality of the immigration debate above the current “three-ring circus with a very crowded clown car.”

Joel Newman
809 NW 45th St.

Play By the Rules


A friend of illegal alien Morgan says he thinks there’s room enough for him. Like Morgan, I also consider Portland my home, but I will only know if there is room enough for me at the end of the protracted, expensive and stressful process of applying for a green card. Morgan may consider that he is rubbing the authorities’ noses in it, but he is rubbing my nose in it, too. Meanwhile, unlike Morgan, I am paying my taxes so I am probably also subsidizing his stay.

Gareth Price
Southwest Lincoln Street

A Brush with Measure 11


The Web had plenty to say about last week’s story about youth counselor Veronica Rodriguez, who was convicted of sexual assault and faces six years in prison for running her hands through a 13-year-old boy’s hair and pulling the back of his head against her covered chest. Thanks in part to a link on the popular news aggregator Fark.com, at press time “A Brush with Measure 11” had more than 75,000 pageviews, with more visitors streaming in.

At wweek.com/editorial/3415/10416/, “JD” writes:
Equality is a b*tch. Dozens, if not hundreds of men/boys are sent to prison yearly for exactly the same thing. It only becomes an issue when a female is affected.

There are two sets of justice, one for males and one for females. If Ms. Rodriguez had been male and the student female, WW would have yawned and gone back to bashing Sho.

I agree that the U.S. has well earned the nickname Saudi America for its bizarre and oppressive treatment of sexuality, but that’s the way it is. Women wanted equality and now they’re getting it. Hope she takes up knitting.


















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“DDave” writes:
Measure 11 removes valuable judicial discretion in sentencing.... Justice requires judgement. Legislators and voters are not in a position to judge individual cases based on the facts.

Ruining the lives of Oregon defendants by reacting to the fear of sex crimes rather than judging facts and legal arguments is both immoral and dishonorable.

We can do better. We should repeal Measure 11.

“Ret” replies:
“Valuable judicial discretion” kept our streets flooded with criminals and an astronomical crime rate. Portland’s homicide rate dropped from 50 per year to about a dozen a year within a few years of it passing. Young, violent criminals were taken out of society before they reached the level of actually killing people.

If you repeal Measure 11, count on violent crimes skyrocketing again.

Judges should stick with making sure the law is followed, not making it themselves.

“Wes” shoots back:
Wow, Ret, I’m trying to figure out whether your comment is based on hyperbole or delusions. With statements like “streets flooded with criminals and an astronomical crime rate,” it makes me wonder where you were living at the time. According to that, you couldn’t walk 10 feet down any Portland street without getting murdered. I’m amazed anyone survived at all. Find me one study with actual facts to back any of your statements and maybe I’d be able to take your rantings halfway seriously.

And “Jeff” chimes in:
No, Ret’s absolutely right. I wore a flak vest in the Portland suburbs prior to Measure 11 passing. Now that it protects us I frequently stop to pet passing kittens on Southeast 82nd.

Elsewhere on the Web, “iceman0113” writes on

Digg.com:
This is how you repay someone who wants to do good in the world? It’s a wonder anyone wants to become a teacher or help children any more. And this guy—“Kevin Mannix, the original Measure 11 backer, calls Campbell’s move to override the minimum sentence ‘absolutely unacceptable’”—is a total douchebag. Another good person will be in jail for five more years wasting taxpayers’ money. Also, “running her hands through a 13-year-old boy’s hair and pulling the back of his head against her covered chest”—this is a long way of saying “hug.” Children are now supposed to grow up without love or care, I guess.

And on Reddit, “BlackMarketer” writes:
The lesson here is simple. Don’t touch kids, look at kids, go near kids or be in their presence (even if they appear to need help). Above all, do not have kids. When all of these steps are followed, only then will kids be safe.

CORRECTIONS


WW screwed up last week in “Independent’s Way.” The proposed open primary initiative does not include presidential primaries.

Also, WW had the wrong name for the Nob Hill group quoted in “A Street Car Named Sam’s Desire.” The correct name is the Nob Hill Business Association.

WW regrets the errors.








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Jacques  writes on Feb 28th, 2008 9:08am

Can't spell We screwed up without a W, eh?

Rick Hickey  writes on Feb 28th, 2008 2:12pm

Milton Friedman did NOT say unlimited immigration is good.

He said A Nation with unlimited immigration and a Welfare state, will not survive.

Does this paper check ANY Facts?

Ben Waterhouse  writes on Feb 28th, 2008 4:05pm

It was a letter to the editor, Rick. No, we don't fact-check those. People send us letters, and we print them. Novel concept, I know.

 
Ian Gillingham  writes on Feb 29th, 2008 11:43am

Let me qualify that, Ben: We DO check out claims that appear questionable in letters, but this didn't raise eyebrows. Milton Friedman did hold that completely open immigration was the best approach *in principle* (Wall Street Journal: www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/fe...), though he added, as Rick says, that "with the welfare state it's really not possible to do that." That's just equivocal enough to let people like Joel and Rick argue it out in the comments section.

But please, Rick, take a deep breath before diving back in--I'm worried about an aneurysm.

Kenneth Jones  writes on Feb 28th, 2008 8:01pm

Your movie reviewer says that Natalie Portman and Scarlett Johansen are "mediocre actresses." You should have seen Portman on Letterman this week, where she looked like a fairy tale princess who was told that her grandmother would die if she didn't court the troll of the bridge--her every fleeting expression mirroring her terror, hope, disgust, puzzlement, etc., as Letterman did his usual terrorize-the-young-starlet, runaway-freight-train spiel. Portman looked like Bambi trying for a heart-to-heart with a life-sized cuckoo clock. Striking twelve.

Meanwhile, over on Leno, nice-girl Miley Cyrus ran through her two expressions; smiling; and not.

It all brought to mind the last time Nicole Kidman did the promo tour, telling Letterman she was never doing this again, she'd forgotten how awful all this was--although to be fair, she might have been confusing Letterman with Leno, who saw her off last time by telling her how much he'd like to crawl all over her.

Anyway, such transparency of expression is the hallmark of a star, whether she's got the Role yet or not.

Say, can your reviewer act?

Best,

Joel Newman  writes on Mar 3rd, 2008 6:33pm

The reference in my letter to Milton Friedman's position on immigration is based on a 1990 survey of leading economists by the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution and two other groups. In response to the survey question "What reforms to U.S. immigration laws or quotas would you recommend to improve the U.S. economy?" Friedman stated "From an economic point of view, unlimited immigration, but limiting access for a decade or so to welfare and similar benefits would be ideal." William Poole, a former member of the President's Council of Economic Advisers who also was surveyed, stated that "opening our borders would improve the lives of the individuals who moved to the United States, would enrich our society, and be a powerful force encouraging economic development around the world... Open borders would be compatible with the present welfare system if new immigrants were ineligible for benefits for, say, two years. Immigrants would come to the United States, work to support themselves, and would be self-sufficient by the time they become eligible for welfare. Relatively few would end up on welfare, and those who did would be supported by the taxes paid by the majority who did not."

Ed Johnston  writes on Mar 4th, 2008 3:35pm

To the Concerned Citizens for Public Safety:

Regarding the time from 1:05 to 1:45 in the afternoon

on Sunday March 2 at Newport's Nye Beach turnaround;

regarding the Person who Is disabled Walking with a

cane who was severely abused and handcuffed by the

police while walking has dog peaceably :

If you saw the events in which This Person was

handcuffed,assaulted and abused by police, please

contact me and/or send to me a signed and notarized

letter describing what you saw.

This person has had two Spinal Fusions in

1998,2001,Has 12 Blown Dices,4 in the spinal cord,Lung

and Treacka Disease, and Closed head injuries as well

+ ECT..

The MOST Importanat ISSUE The Person would like THANK

THE CITIZENS WHO CAME TO HIS AID.

THE PERSON SAYS

THANK YOU

AN GOD BLESS

Please send it to

Terence S. McLaughlin

Attorney at Law

P.O. Box 672

Carlton, OR 97111

503.550.2235 Voice

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