Cops, Shots And Shrooms

It's a terrible thing to lose a child. I certainly feel sympathy for the parents. However, maybe if they'd devoted more time to dealing with his drug problem, this would have been avoided.

It's easy for an attorney or anyone else who works in a office to say three cops could have physically subdued him. The fact the young man was unfazed by the taser tells me that would be unlikely. When you can't feel that much voltage running through your body, there's not much chance anyone would be able to physically handle him.

The parents are lucky Ms. Arellano isn't suing them for their son terrorizing and attacking her and her young daughter.

you are an EVIL PERSON.

You do not have a heart. I bet you call yourself "christian" too.

Amen to that. he made a choice to be on mushrooms, enter an apartment and possibly hurt another person. he was going for a weapon, call me evil, but i'd rather live as getting killed by a psycho scumbag like him. people need to start taking responsibility for their actions. if you're on drugs, you get in trouble, you are a threat to other people - shoot to kill, end of story

It's easy for someone who is sitting at a desk typing away in lets say an "office" to have a narrow mind of thinking. This Is A Tragity That SHOULD NOT OF HAPPENED. Becase some cop decided to be a lazy a-hole, and grab for his gun because "he's f-ing done with this shit." I cant speek for others but I DONT WANT THAT KIND OF PERSON PROTECTING ME OR MY CHILDREN.

sigh. the shroomer is the criminal, not the victim. he made his choice by taking the drugs, by attacking a woman and her child, by resisting arrest and by trying to get a weapon. glad he's dead.

Officer Keesee apparently reflects his training in saying "I’ve heard it’s possible...(to withstand a taser cycle)".

My question is: what did the police trainer suggest doing with a suspect that doesn't respond as expected to violence?

Alternative tactics perhaps?

“They should have called an ambulance, not the cops,” Sherlag says. “It was a totally avoidable tragedy.”

Oh, yeah. If the cops couldn't handle him I'm sure a couple of ambulance drivers with only scissors would have done fine.... What an idiotic statement.

If the woman in the apt. can hold him down by herself, then certainly the ambulance drivers could have (superhuman strength and endurance my a**...) the police really f'd up here and killed a confused young man for no reason.

It looks like Case got what he wanted -that is what happens when you are terminally stupid !

The cop fired 3 times into his body and then finished him off with a shot to the back of the head?!?! That's not controlling the subject, that's executing him.

Well he did illegaly tresspass into this person's home, and in this country a homeowner/renter is allowed to shoot an intruder that is breaking into their home. So would the parents sue then? doubtful!

Our society as a whole has become very accepting to peoples actions like Mr. Case's, and not wanting the police to take the necessary steps to stop a person behaving this way.

If the woman who lived in the apartment had shot him, this wouldn't even be a news story, and I wouldn't sympathize for this kid or his family, but it was the police who shot him, in the back, in the middle of the street. They weren't protecting anyone, no one was defending their home at that point, it was just some fed up hillbilly sheriff's deputy who didn't feel like dealing with a crazy drug fiend.

I think comments like those from Ret and Dave are ridiculously insensitive and definitely show their depth of thought and processing. Must be sad to be so basic and shallow.

This is one of those events where I am sickened not by the participants, but by that very American of rituals where we feel we shall move forward as a society by assigning discrete values of blame upon all parties involved.

The face of the matter is that Mr Case set the events of that tragic night into motion and came in contact with police who's training and natural human instincts tends towards risk aversion through aggression. There are teachable moments enough to go around from this, but why ruin more lives or punish the community at large?

Frankly this case is the outcome because

we-as a society-have allowed our elected

officials to dumbdown police recruits to

where the double-digit IQ-holder crowd is now wearing badges and toting guns as

they purport to act in our name. Well,

FYI, these idiots do not act in my name

nor do I have any respect for them or

the position they've managed to finagle

themselves into to having. We should all hang our heads in shame as to what

has become of our law-enforcement crowd

as they've gotten worst as time rolls on

by and we are rolling from one incident

of stupidity to yet another. It is no

wonder these malefactors would not make

a comment for this article...how in hell

can they even begin to defend themselves

and their grossly stupid actions? I do

hope they are sued for a bundle and they

pay dearly for their narrow-minded silly

actions. Enuf said of these whitetrash

goons!

Hey pal, a gold medal for you-- for the most thoughtless comment here so far.

Next time someone's breaking into your

place, call a lawyer first. You deserve it.

I am the sister of one of those officers who was involved in this tragedy. I call you out on your extremely ignorant statements in response to this article. Have you absolutely no idea of the actual facts or is your head shoved so far up your ass you cannot understand that these officers were DOING THEIR JOBS the way they were trained to do it! I ask you what YOU may have done if this 29 year old single mother was your sister and you were called to protect her. Jordan was the aggressor. Jordan was on Drugs. Jordan broke into a home. Jordan assaulted a woman and a child. Jordan was uncooperative. As sad as it may be, Jordan was shot dead after many; many other means were used to arrest him! Just what do you purport these officers should have done? “smiled, and said I know your higher than a fucking kite young man, I’m not here to hut you, just come with me…it’s ok that you just broke into a woman’s home, assaulted her and her child.” RIGHT….that’s what you would have done….You genius, you Robert…let’s put that in the new police training manual. Next time I’m at home alone with my child and some crazy bastard high on drugs breaks in and tries to “feel my aura” I’m gonna just try and talk to him. Or maybe I’ll call an ambulance for him…or maybe I’ll too shoot the stupid mother fucker for breakin in my home! I do know, I will call 911 and hope they protect me and my family as well. I guarantee you will too.

A very disturbing trend, the police rely on their weapons more than just physically rushing the guy and getting control of him that way. 3 Officers should have been enough to at least physically stop the guy, likely more officers to assist in gaining further control of his limbs and taking him into custody.

So, you want to bad mouth "ambulance drivers"? They are EMT's and paramedics, and you should know better, jerk. Not only that, but they deal with plenty of OD's and others fighting and freaking out on the way to the ER. And none of them kill anybody like the police do.

Okay, so if an officer feels that his/her life is threatened they CAN shoot. But SHOULD they? I mean really. This over reliance on "less lethal" and when that doesn't work, escalating to deadly force, is a real failure.

If the police are unwilling to occasionally mix it up with a bad guy physically, then they do not belong on the job. Resorting to deadly force under these circumstances is one thing:

Cowardly.

YOU obviously know nothing about EMT's, paramedics, and firefighters. Guess who they call when a OD, suicidal, mental, etc. etc. is combative...the police...not only that they stage a short distance away while waiting for police to make the scene secure. Your ignorance is what makes three camps of people in our society: criminals, the weak (such as yourself) the criminals pray one, and the police and the strong citizenry. By the way none of you appeared to have researched the incident..can you explain why everyone missed the fact Case force entry into the police car and was trying to access the rifle???? Hmmmmm maybe he was going to tickle people with it.....

Jackpot's final word is exact: cowardly.

That's the way the cops, three of them weighing over 200 pounds, reacted. The 29-year-old gal in the apartment subdued the 128-pound Case. But three significantly larger cops perceived him to have "superhuman" strength and endurance.

If nothing else, I hope we resolve to examine how our police are educated and trained.

Cowards on the force can only lead to disaster.

It's not hard to see how this ended up like this, given the attitude of the father(of the dead man.)

He sounds as if he's made a habit of enabling his drug-addled son, and wants to blame someone else for his failings at parenting.

The only mistake I can see the officers made is initially firing center mass on a threat that was that so immediate.

2 rounds in the center of the mastoid region would have immediately neutralized the threat. When you're that close center mass is not an option.

The moral to the story is that marathon use of psychoactive drugs is generally not a good idea.

Don't blame the officers, it's not in their job description to get killed.

Thank you HMLA267!!! half of my family is either in law enforcement, FBI, or Criminalistics. their lives are constantly put on the line every day! They are all wonderful husbands, wives, mothers/fathers, themselves. never do any of them want to take the life of another if they can help it....but they also have to protect...nationwide.

Forget calling the police, I would have shot him myself if he were in my home acting like that.

I would have shot him too if I had a gun and he invaded my home and tried to hurt my child. I don't care if it was drug related or not! he had no rite to invade and attack another! I, we, have rights to be able to protect ourselves...drugs should not be glorified, especially knowing he was cooking drugs prior to him attacking another innocent person and her family.

Our local indymedia is reporting there will be a vigil held for him this Friday at the Terry Schrunk Plaza.

Direct grief and outrage to the policy makers for Portland Police and DEMAND THEIR JOBS FOR THIS.

THEY HAVE ALREADY ABSOLVED THE OFFICERS OF WRONGDOING.

They have created a culture of excessive force, which is now harmful to the very citizens it's sworn to protect.

Lets make sure this is the LAST INNOCENT DEATH and reclaim Portland's police to a culture of PEACE.

Dipshit, the Portland Police were not anywhere near this incident! Obviously you like to judge before you actually research. Nice work, moron.

First of all, It was Tualatin Knob!. Secondly... "culture of excessive force"? WTF? Based on how many times they tried to end the situation with non lethal methods I would say they showed a great deal of restraint...only using deadly force once the guy went for a weapon. Why? Why with the effing hippies!

Swell, then we can chant "Kumbaya", eat vegan, make godseyes with popcicle sticks, bath in patchouli strong enough to gag a maggot, and wave our little red books while praying to Tre Arrow (aka "The soon-to-forgotten Federal prisoner Scarpitti.)

Go back to the nutcase Stalinists on Indymedia. The adults are speaking here.

this comment is deranged - callous - uncalled for - and very disrespectful - It is not worthy to read in print. How insulting. Totally uncalled for and should be removed for lack of any "social value"

You're an ass. I hope if one of your kids gets in trouble you have better results. If a woman can hold down 128 lbs then surely 3 cops could as well. The cop was "tired of the bullshit" - not a good reason to kill him. He was a good kid who did something stupid. Must be nice to be perfect like you. Idiot.

Good Idea, HMLA! I LOVE vegan food, and Gods Eyes sound COOL whatever those and that little red book you talk about are. OH, and I normally don't like THAT much patchouli, but I would GLADLY indulge in enjoying enough to make a maggot gag for a maggot such as yourself!

You don't want to be a part of our peaceful culture? Move to Detroit.

Get the hell out.

I for one don't want cops who can't figure out how to subdue a raving maniac without killing him to be allowed to work as a peace officer. I'm afraid you can't train this stupidity out. I believe these officers should be fired. Maybe then we could all feel safe.

Amen! What's the difference between a citizen violently murdering another citizen and a cop doing it? Both are CRIMINALS no matter WHAT they are wearing!

And these criminals have NO GOD GIVEN NOR LEGAL RIGHT GOVERNING IN A PEACEFUL SOCIETY!!

CLEAN HOUSE OF ALL MURDERERS AND THEIR MENTALITY!

THIS EVENT WAS TO BE AT 6:00 PM on FRIDAY 4-4-08

Terry Schrunk Plaza

Just passing along what I was told

correct me if I am wrong

You are wrong. As reported in the story above, the vigil is at 7 pm on Friday in downtown Portland's Terry Schrunk Plaza.

Ms. Arrellano could have shot him herself in self-defense for breaking, entering, and threatening her child's safety. I would bet she owns a gun these days.

The officers did the right thing...God only knows what a 20 year old who is overdosing on mushrooms is capable of doing either to her or her daughter, or to the police themselves.

I feel sympathy for his parents, no one should lose a child in this manner. But a drug-addled criminal who is breaking into peoples' homes while high is no great loss from society. I feel more "unsafe" with people like him walking around than with cops who are simply doing their jobs in protecting the public.

Thank you to the police force in this situation. I hope that the mom and her daughter are recovering from what must have been a truly terrifying situation.

I agree Kate, I hope the victims are able to move on. I do know that she is strong and a good mother. Jordan's mother needs to not do drugs herself to cope with her son's death. I have great sympathy for both mothers. I would never want to have my child die before me. His mother also has drug problems. Hmmm. wonder where he got that from. i'm glad that he is not harming anyone else or himself. I hope his friends and family can try to see that drugs are bad and harming others does not mean we are entitle to every privledge.

I guess "respect for diversity" does not include allowing opposing views, or freedom of expression. I am endlessly amused that the some liberals are the first ones that want to engage in censorship. Liberal fascism at it's best.

Of course, you *demand* to (a) burn our flag, (b) assault officers during "peace demonstrations", (c) march or ride naked, (d) demonstrate whenever the hell you feel like it, regardless of the disruptions to traffic - All in the name of your rights.

It goes both ways here; If you don't like it, move to Communist China. But I suggest wearing a cup, it appears the security forces over there are playing for keeps.

I'm sure there are a considerable number of folks in Tibet right now that would think the amount of freedoms we enjoy, and the police services we are provided, are just fine.

Enjoy your march.

Turn off the Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly bullshit. It sounds like Karl Rove crawled up your ass.

As I see it, there are at least two lessons to be learned from this sad incident.

First of all, any single young woman, especially a young mother with an 8 year old in the apartment, should always lock her doors and windows before going to bed each night.

Second, cops should tackle unarmed perpetrators and get them into handcuffs as soon as possible. There is too much reliance on weapons, both lethal and non-lethal. There have been too many "suicide-by-cop" killings lately.

To the anti-cop crowd: Next time some whacked out, drug-crazed freak breaks into your house, please call American Medical Response (our local ambulance service) and NOT 9-1-1.

It is unbelievable that some of you can sleep at night with the attitude you have toward human life, a twenty year old kid making an outrageously stupid choice does not deserve death if it can be prevented. Overzeolous police officers, who do have options, disregarded the life of this young man. To blame the parents is ridiculous, you know nothing about their life. All troubled children are not the result of a neglectful home. How arrogant to think that you could never possibly have a troubled child, you probably don't even have any. But by the grace of God you are not there. I believe we need to keep out homes safe, and when we make the decision to remove ourselves from all self control there is a risk, but we need to be a responsible society, and stop using deadly force as the ONLY option.

Sad story.

"Case had about four ounces of shrooms in his apartment and had planned to eat them all on the night he was killed. Jordan Ruiz, another friend, said Case believed four ounces would be enough to give him a “mind trip.” That’s more than 30 times the typical dose of one-eighth of an ounce for a strong trip."

I find it difficult to believe that someone could eat 4oz. of dried shrooms. The article does not say if they were fresh or dried, leading me to think the writer is confused between the two. Fresh shrooms contain 90% water, 4oz. would be approximately 5X an average dosage, not 30X.

I am familiar with the difference between fresh and dried mushrooms, Chewtoy. Jordan Case's friend, William Bradley, told police he saw the four ounces drying on a counter. So it would indeed have been 30 times the normal dose.

A gold medal to all you police critics who have never walked a mile in their shoes. Go for a ride-along with the people who keep you safe. (cops) See for yourself what they face. Then, try another ride-along. Shadow these brave men and women and see for yourself how they keep the wolves at bay. Would you please do that before you unleash raw sewage from your mouth? If, by then, your thinking is still so frozen that you're unwilling to consider other points of view, try this-- when you feel threatened by a burglar, violent drug addict or thief-- call a lawyer instead of the cops. Please let us all know how that works out for you.

Bill -- absolutely right. I've been on ridealongs, and it takes an unbelievable amount of courage to approach a darkened car for the average traffic stop at night.

I'm sorry the young man is dead. It could have been avoided. But not by second-guessing the police response. The cops I know work hard to avoid getting killed, and even harder to avoid taking life or inflicting injuries.

yep, classic case of terrible parents that have no idea what their kid is like and blaming others for their own mistakes. mix that with cops doing their job in a situation that has no second chances or hindsight options and some hippy shroomer on a god-plex. give me a break, guy stands through a tasing and the cops should just charge in, risk injury to themselves and "deal" with it. it's not their responsibility to sacrifice their lives for some bum on a high, their job is to protect citizens that are NOT out to attack a mom and her kid. he was at fault from step one, he was the criminal and he needed to be taken down before it escalated any further by reaching a weapon. friggin hippies. glad he's dead.

You're sick. I hope something happens one day to open your eyes so you can live the rest of your life with less hatred and idiocy. It takes a lot of restraint for me to leave such a calm reply to you, I'd rather say "I wish you were dead asshole." But then I'd be as retarded as you.

Simply put, the cops executed the victim. He was unarmed and weighed 128 lbs! Cops are trained today that if they sense fear, of any kind, to open fire. Laws justify the execution, but society shouldn't.

The new breed of cops are being trained to shoot first and go home safe. This should frighten every citizen.

Actually, they are trained to shoot in the back of the head when a suspect does not respond to a gunshot wound to the chest. I think that if I was wrestled with, tased, shot with a beanbag, and then shot in the chest, I'd stop and think that perhaps they were trying to tell me something...

Does anyone here know what an MP-5 rifle can do? Now from what I'm seeing here the officer was at the driver's side of the vehicle(out of the car) and the subject was running towards the passenger side and opened the door. Now I'm not about to waste time to run around the car to control the subject that is about to obtain a weapon that out-guns me so he can shoot me and my fellow officers and the woman and child before any of us know what is going on. Thank god that the mother and kid were not harmed by this guy.

Car was left running and unlocked. Rifle securely locked in the front of the car. How would have have gotten it out? Jordan wasn't that familiar with the inside of a police car, he was disoriented and trying to escape and hide, not go on a shooting spree.

Our law enforcement officers are not trained or compensated sufficiently to wrestle mano a mano with the mentally ill and those who are high as a kite on drugs.

If Joe Citizen is despondent/suicidal, and makes a suicide by cop request to 911, then (at least) they can form an opinion as to how likely Joe is to harm the responders. By contrast, if a drunk/high/deranged suspect just marches into somebody's residence and starts tearing up the place, the responders have no idea who/what they are dealing with. How aggressive is the suspect, what is there intention, do they have a weapon? All unknown.

In the responders are unable to simply "wait them out", then they have to use escalation of force tactics to protect the public and themselves.

That's why they started with tasers and bean bag rounds: but they didn't subdue the suspect.

How many armchair quarterbacks would be calling for a cop's badge if the suspect had climbed in a stolen car and crashed into your spouse after running a red light? What if the suspect had run back into the house and barricade himself inside with hostages?

I know three cops (all from California) who would be alive today if they had used deadly force rather than trying to be the good guys. One of them even had his service revolver wrestled away from him while he tried to negotiate with a meth addict: it was used to kill him and the suspects mother.

Think about it.

Let's hear it for 21 years of enabling athat perpetuated this situation!

Typical to read this sort of "if-you-have-never-walked-a-mile-in-their-shoes" sort of dismissal of anyone not cheering the police on and applauding their actions in this incident.

Well, don't buy into this reasoning. Here's why. 1) It does not take a police officer to know that this situation went terribly wrong, and 2) I am a former police officer myself. I can speak my mind now as I have no career to protect and I am beholden to nobody politically or otherwise. I'm sure other cops will disagree with me, and that's fine. I know what I know...

It went bad. The officers lost control of Mr Case, he should never have been allowed to leave that bedroom in the first place. The police had a good chance of containing Case in there. But they failed and it all went downhill from there.

The victims in the burglary must have been completely terrified! Clearly this was a matter for the police to respond to and gain control of, that is their job. Trouble is, they lost their chance to contain Mr Case inside the apartment, the methods of control they later chose were ineffective, and in the end they resorted to deadly force when it may very well have been unnecessary.

The same thing happened to Jose Poot over at PGH. And it will keep right on happening... and that's a shame.

It was not a burglary. Jordan was disoriented and wondering around his apartment complex and went into an unlocked apartment. I want to make that clear. Otherwise, I appreciate your sensible comments.

If the Case family wins even a dime then Sally Arellano should sue them for it plus a few extra dollars. Jordan Case died as a result of his own actions. Tragic but true.

Everyone wants the individual police officer to be a trained negotiator, a skilled combatant and an expert marksman who is obligated to risk his own personal safety to save criminals from the consequences of their own actions for about $50,000 yearly. People with that impressive skill set aren't signing up to be police officers. If people like that even exist they are making a whole lot more money doing something else. Cops will do marvelous things, risking their own lives, to save the innocent. Criminals don't get or deserve the same.

Jordan Case, self-proclaimed veteran of psychedelic drugs, could have saved his own life by complying or even running away instead of trying to get into a police car where a rifle was stored. That the self-proclaimed veteran of psychedelic drugs was too drug addled to make a good decision is his own fault.

Laird Case, if he is a graduate of State Police law enforcement training, knows this is true.

I have taught at-risk middle school and elementary school students and currently teach at a "desirable" school. This young man and his family are no different than the parents I have dealt with during my career. It's my fault that the student gets suspended (middle school). It's my fault that the elementary-school student can't read (never mind that no one at home reads with the child or spends time with the child instead of the tv/video game babysitter). It's my fault that the child can't focus on his/her work. It's my fault that the child doesn't get his/her homework done. I'm tired of parents who blame others. Take responsibility for your children, for your mistakes, and for theirs. I'M TIRED OF IT...so don't blame me, and don't blame the police officers and law enforcement. BTW, I just finished my taxes. I spent well over $1,000 in out-of-pocket expenses to make my classroom a fun, thriving environment. I'm a fun, happy teacher, who loves teaching and who is requested by parents...so I'm not "soured" on my job. I'm "soured" on parents and what they expect me to fix.

Perhaps you should go back to 1975, when Ritalin was administered in the schools and begin with that abomination, exposing it fully - it's the transparency rule here in the 21st Century should we truly choose to be who and what we say we are, teacher.

Yikes!! What's this? Portland Cops shoot an unarmed person? That is crazy!!!!

April 1, 2008. This is NOT APRIL FOOL'S, either and it is directed specifically at the FOOL who has enough evil in them to write that the parents should have dealt with the "drug problem."

Let's begin with a testimony in court by a cop who recently broke into a citizen's home, pepper sprayed the woman to the ground in her own bathroom, and then lied about it from beginning to end.

Stating that the COPS ARE FULLY IMMUNE FROM ANY LAWSUIT.

Citizen's get to pay for the cops to abuse us in other words and kill us too, obviously.

With or without drugs, you stupid fool who thinks this is somehow not your problem.

Time to wake-up OREGON and realize YOUR LIBERAL TITLE IS FAUX.

Portland, Oregon and the STATE are fascist and everyone thinks its about BLUE (BLUE MEANIES YES).

I'm convinced the majority of people in the State of Oregon have gone stark raving mad. What are people thinking that this is OK? I guess it's the war and our new image of mass murderers that makes us so heroic, just like three criminal thugs killing a 20 year old young man simply because he was a "drug addict?" OMG let's do a drug test on all those BLUE MEANIES. Should they not be on meds, then we're definitely in big trouble that this many brains in Oregon are this mentally ill - even without "shrooms."

Biloxi...I'm sure I speak for many of us...i feel sorry for you. Good luck in life, you're going to need it! If you try to contact me or any of us, we have the right to press charges, just like we all have a right to freedom of speech. You don't know what REALLY happened before, during and after...do you?! So how can you sit there and judge the rest of us?! you want freedom of speech, we all have that right. But the majority do not know what it was like to have him live right next to you!!!! you thrive off of the negative attention towards you. I feel sorry for you and hope your family and other potential victims do not have to go through what Jordan's family and his victims, have. If anything...learn from his illegal, hurtful and bad choices! There's more to life than what is taking place. BILOXI...IT'S TIME TO LET GO!!!!

Shot 4 times in the back and once in the back of the head. Case was off his rocker for sure, and hopefully would have gone to jail for assault (not shrooms), but this is the definition of "excessive use of force". I'm not going to hate on cops like some of the posters have - but man, execution was not necssary. Now the parents of the guy who assaulted a women and her daughter sue the cities, counties, states, etc. who hired the cops and the taxpayers foot the bill. Clusterf*ck.

It's a shame that people are unaable to understand the simple fact that if a person makes bad choices, they earn negative consequences. Jordan Case had multiple opportunities to stop, lay down and surender. Instead, he ran away from officers, he ran directly at officers, he wrestled with officers, and he entered the patrol car of an officer. Police officers receive ample training on force options and their role as peace keepers goes beyond their own personal safety. Once Jordan entered the patrol car, he left them with no other option. Jordan could have hurt multiple people including himself and I am propud of our law enforcement officers who keep us safe at night. Do any of you who are attacking them ever think how they feel? Have you ever been in a situation where you felt as if you were fighting for your life? Have you ever had to watch someone pass? Please, consider that the average citizen is never at risk of being a victim of lethal force because they make choices to comply with the law. Jordan made multiple wrong choices and the consequences were the loss of his life.

I'm sorry but you're absolutely wrong, mother. I was just acquitted for FLEEING not RESISTING. People it is long past time we all learn the laws which have been created to BRING INTELLIGENCE rather than BRUTALITY.

Again, duh.

Mother...I agree with you...Ignore Biloxi...He's just another bad seed that is wasting valuable space and is someone we need to keep our children away from. he breeds nothing but hatred, anger and values his "right" to do drugs and harm others. he doesn't believe that there should be consequences for harming others whether it's attacking another or cooking drugs, etc. he doesn't even know the whole truth. he must have an issues with his "manhood."

The cops have been given orders to do this. Just wait, a testimony of one of the new breeds is going to be out for all the "citizens" to eat words that are toxic shame - shame, shame, shame on the lack of TRANSPARENCY!

Gee, the banks aren't transparent either and so what do we get? AH, YES, we're digital slaves of credit/debt.

I guess we enjoy being deaf, dumb and blind to the abuse -- SURVEILLANCE IS NOT JUST FOR THOSE WHO THINK THEY'RE IMMUNE!

Why is there not video footage of this incident? Does anyone begin to ask the question - why when the technology is available and used against citizens, is not the same technology used to protect us?

Duh

So Biloxi...do you expect us to value your opinion knowing you're starting your own criminal career because you can't respect authority of any kind? Anarchy is not a good thing. How can we respect anything you say knowing you have a record yourself? You make your own choices and wish you the best! Hope you don't victimize or hurt anyone!

TO MOTHER: Please, you obviously have never been in a situation in these "modern" times with the Portland Police or any POLICE for that matter, it's clear. Your comment is naive since FLEEING FOR ONE'S LIFE IS NOT RESISTING. But then you don't seem to care about the citizen as much as you do those who have the weapons (lots of killing tools), and herein lies the rub.

Unintelligent "consumers" purchase dangerous products and Cops who kill are not the best choice of AAA BONDS to ensure our health, wealth and happiness.

It's this simple. Don't choose toxic junk bonds.

Well, you're right, I have never been in a situation with a police officer such as the situation described. I do know the difference between resisting and fleeing. Have you ever stood face to face with a total stranger who was making irrational decisions? Have you ever commanded that stranger to stop while pointing a firearm at him and had him continue to run directly at you in an aggressive manner? Until you have been in that situation, you have no right to generalize and pass judgment on people.

I'm also tired of people second guessing the use of non-lethal force. Read the whole story, the first officer on the scene was exhausted and unable to detain him after going hands on and wresting around the apartment. There are inaccurate statements in all the article (which is typical) but the fact is that there were several, many, multiple attempts made both physically, verbally and with non-lethal force to get this kid to stop! He chose otherwise and when he entered the car, he took his ability to cause harm to other (and himself) to a whole different level.

Is everything black and white now days? As a citizen if I this guy broke into my house I would have shot him dead. While I understand why the cops shot him and their fear they did make a serious error in judgement but should not be strung up for it. Have any of you been around someone having a bad trip or someone on PCP? Do you remember that guy that hacked up his mother a couple of years ago in clackamas while on mushrooms?

How dumb is it?

POLICE carry lots of weapons to protect themselves.

BUT, when animals get tranquilized it's with the intent to SAVE THE WILD ANIMAL.

Oh, I almost forgot, humans aren't wild animals - er, at least that's what we're pretending here in the 21st Century.

Sorry, a 20 year old silly kid on shrooms can be held down by the woman he is supposedly ATTACKING ...

& so,

POLICE FRIGHTENED FOR THEIR LIVES

execute him with three bullet shots into his back and one final shot into the back of his head.

Yea, this is definitely an intelligent POLICE who I want to invite into my home for a non-transparent communication alright.

Not.

Intelligent consumer/s who wish to retire with AAA Bonds in their portfolio ....

Just say NO to poisonous toxic bonds that destroy all future wealth, health and happiness.

Ask the banks and investment bankers about the toxicity of it all.

Maybe this is why they need the killer cops? To continue confusing almost all the people mostly all of the time it seems in Oregon.

Let's also not forget that had this kid not ingested the illegal magic mushrooms, he'd probably be alive today.

That's the ultimate lesson to be learned here.

No, the ultimate lesson is to realize that the chemicals in the sky are legal and gee let's not forget the Ritalin in the schools beginning in 1975, an abomination but hey it's money isn't it - even the illegal is driven by the greed of those who convince dumbos that white hats are black and vice versa. Silliness, thinking that BIG PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES do not engage in DRUGS. I wonder how many lives have been lost to the drugs, such as PROZAC.

Shhh, can't mess up the status quo and believe we're safe, not from 20 year old shroomers .... gotta kill 'em dead.

But leave the billionaire mobster club alone.

Yea for intelligent consumers, yet again?

Once upon a time there was a State named Oregon and the people who magnetized to that beautiful place were LIBERALLY MINDED so it was said. That was then and this is now, 2008.

The City of Portland that's a large City in Oregon State has become fascist.

The POLICE kill and worse, get protected for doing it. Yes, there are many who are complicit in the crime of the EXCESSIVE ABUSE OF FORCE, simply in the ignorance of the law.

People in Oregon, the humans, are ingesting far too much GMO food and the brains are shrinking as well, immune systems are failing. Hearts, livers and other organs are suffering too.

Read F. William Engdahl's SEEDS OF DESTRUCTION.

Then and only then shall those brains that actually think this criminal insanity is ok, can be quickly escorted into the asylum.

And I close by saying that absolutely hire lots and lots of OFFICERS OF THE PEACE.

And when an arrest is made - this includes every, any, all CALLS (911, etc.), there must be NO LESS THAN THREE (3) CITIZEN WITNESSES AND A CAMERA CREW WITH THE MOST MODERN TECHNOLOGY.

Why not? Since the technology is available and the STATE must always come to the court against the citizen it has arrested with the best evidence over what the citizen/s' presents --

Why not videotape every scene of an alleged "crime," and this includes filming every nano-second of all the characters in the crime, including but not limited to, the OFFICERS OF THE PEACE, aka POLICE.

Again, why not full, 100% transparency and this includes the Criminal Justice Center.

Why not?

Wise consumers demand full disclosure in order to make intelligent decisions about products that either kill, or not.

Those cops in 1968 Chicago (demo. convention) had the right idea.....they beat the f**k out of liberal morons like you with a vengence.

Biloxi - You are utterly crazy. Come live in New York, Boston, Philly, DC or any other major city. You are an absolute joke suggesting leaders of PDX and the police are now fascist. Go trim your beard you irrelevant fool!!!

This country is too militarized these days. It's blatant, I see it every day. I'm in a coffee shop behind cops and they're all armed to the teeth, just to buy coffee. I work near their little arms depot where they can pick up their assault rifles - angry looking meatheads stream in and out all the time. They walk down the street with their holsters and bandoliers like they're looking for a fight. The older I get, the more I hate and fear cops - that's exactly what they want.

BTW, according to the report he tried to open the police car door but was unsuccessful. With all this commotion around the police car I'm sure there was audio or video of the incident, right?

oh johnnyredman you are one of them. them, those over here who had too many schrooms obviously in the form of inorganic chemicals and your brain bleeds, once can easily discern this - Political Ponerology it's called. Look it up since you qualify. NO COMMON SENSE, just a bleeding brain for more of the same, blood. Hungry ghost you're called, can't be filled up.

That's what you were and still are.

Cannibal.

Predatory and predator and so on, hungry and criminally insane.

Not a good consumer commodity.

I pass.

TO Johnnyredman: Yes you would enjoy this experience it appears - to see your idea of a liberal moron getting the f**k beaten out of them, a vengeance I do believe is how it's spelled, but I'm not your editor.

Or maybe I am. I couldn't go away without musing over the reality that one would qualify here in liberal Portland for Andrew M. Lobaczewski's memory of the Nazi takeover in Poland.

Does that word get you excited Johnnyredman or do you need to visit the dark torture chambers to get off?

Maybe you'd best be leaving Oregon since you're not comfortable with intelligent consumers and you call them "liberals."

Dates you.

No....it really doesn't get me excited.

But the thought of you riding your bicycle to your minimum wage job at a bead shop makes me laugh. The next time I drive past some hippie on a bicycle maybe I will toss a cup of starbucks in their direction....or a bottle of p|ss.

JohnnyRedman it's apparent that you aren't real bright and that's the tragedy of Portland - idiots like you. Starbucks is indeed piss and you would think to purchase it since you can't choose wisely as a consumer, no common sense. At least I have a job and a bicycle. Sorry about the "hippie" part, however, since you seem to be into whatever it takes to get you feeling good about yourself.

In a word, pity.

Ha Ha, you make me laugh with your moronic anti-corporate BS rhetoric. Throw on a little more petchuly oil and take another toke on your pipe.....people like you should be sterilized

Were any of you his close neighbor?! Do any of you know what he was doing prior to his unfortunate choice?! I do know! No one listened or tried to help him. I do feel for everyone involved. I considered him my friend until he became so high on drugs and unpredictable that I was afraid of him! He not only chose to get high and victimize another family, but he put many of us neighbors in jeapordy! The blame needs to STOP! None of his family or friends helped him with his drug problems. It is not another's responsibility! Pointing fingers is not going to help! he made choices that he knew were illegal prior to him attacking another family. he didnt' stop! why are we glorifying someone cooking drugs, doing drugs, etc., harming others, etc.? It's time to let it go! Law enforcement was just trying to protect the victims and everyone else. he chose not to stop! he chose to go for the gun!

MARY, YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND. HOW COULD YOU? YOU'RE NOT HIS FATHER OR HIS MOTHER.

DRUGS ARE EVERYWHERE. LOOK AROUND AND YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR ECONOMY RELIES ON DRUGS TO STAY "HEALTHY" ...

"ALIVE!"

GET REAL AND NOTICE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INSANE/BRAIN DEAD.

I KNOW NOT ABOUT SCROOMS EXCEPT THEY ARE NOT AS DANGEROUS.

AT LEAST HE DIDN'T TAKE SCHROOMS EVERY DAY AND IN FACT MORE THAN ONCE A DAY FOR YEARS AND YEARS.

PROZAC IS A DANGEROUS DRUG.

RITALIN IS A DANGEROUS DRUG.

ZOMBIES ARE ALSO WALKING DEAD.

I can say I personally know that his parents did try to get him into counseling and offered a lot of support. Let's not speak for them if you haven't spoken to them, specifically regarding the claims you're making, first.

I know personally he made the choice not to listen to anybdoy if they did try...family, friends or neighbors. I made many complaints against him and his cooking drugs, no one did anything about it. He knew what he was doing and knew the consequences. It's no one's fault but his own.

Liberals,

I have lived my entire life on a 10,000 acre wheat/cattle ranch in Eastern Oregon. We proudly fly the flags of the United States and the Lone Star flag of Texas (several of my grand-fathers had the honor to serve the Republic and then the State of Texas against the Comanches and Mexicans) every day of the year with pride. I personally have served the United States in the military and the county of my residence as a law-enforcement officer until it was my time to run our family ranch.

My children are proud to be American and often ask me about what they call the “liberal propanganda” they read in your publication as well as in the Oregonian newspaper when they work on school projects. I have read both publications and have been at a loss to explain the weakness our community perceives to exist in our fellow Oregonians who have the misfortune to live west of the Cascade Mountains.

First I would like to mention my experience in the short period I have been staying in Portland. I have been staying here temporarily for the last year to complete my Master of Science Degree. During this last year (the worst of my life) I have had my residence “tagged” by Mexican Gang graffiti and was twice harassed by protesters.

My first contact with the liberals occurred when I was showing my visiting wife the “diversity” of downtown Portland.” During that visit a small, white male with poor hygiene grabbed my wife and screamed at her something to the effect of, “No war for oil!” Since I felt he was a direct threat to my wife I reacted by punching him in the face which knocked him unconscious. Several of his male friends with dreadlock hair began to cry but they kept their distance from me.

The second time was when I was driving my pick-up truck through a Washington County community. Another white, male protester began yelling at me when I was stopped at a stop light. He yelled at me about polluting the environment with CO2 and told me he would “educate” me if I was “open minded enough.” I then parked my pick-up and walked up to him and his associates (after putting my cowboy hat on) and asked them all to “educate me.” All ten of them dropped their signs and ran in the opposite direction, one of them was so frightened he dropped his bag of marijuana as he fled. I threw their signs in a dumpster none of which were tall enough to reach into.

Now, as my unfortunate temporary residence of Portland nears an end since graduation is near (not soon enough) I read the article regarding the Washington County Deputy Sheriff who shot the crazed drug addict in an innocent lady’s Tualatin apartment home. My first thought was that wouldn’t happen in Eastern Oregon. This thought immediately came to mind because of one reason: if a crazed drug addict came into any of my neighbor’s homes where a woman was sleeping with their child to “touch their aura” we would have shot them ourselves negating the need for the police to respond for anything other than to remove the drug addict’s filthy body.

After further reading your article I noticed the incredible bias towards the victim and the police. My children would have called it the “defeatist liberal propaganda of Portland” but since I have tried (unsuccessfully) to teach them to not look down on the weak, I will not mention it here. I notice you mention the intial responding officer of 200 pounds was unable to keep Jordan Case, from this point on for clarity I will refer to him as the drug addicted burglar, of only 128 pounds restrained. This newspaper then seems to skip to a sequence of events with nothing explaining how the drug addicted burglar escaped being pinned by this big, mean, close minded police officer. My only guess is he used “magic shroom dust.”

The drug addicted burglar is then “pummelled with bean bags and tazers.” I weigh a muscular 250 pounds and stand 6-4 tall. Please explain how a scrawny little drug addict was able to escape a larger, well trained police officer and withstand a “pummeling” by several “less lethal” weapons? Now explain why this drug addicted burglar was trying to enter a police car with an accessible, loaded weapon it. The drug addicted burglar was then shot by the Sheriff’s Deputy. How did this scrawny druggy make it out of being pinned by a much larger police officer and into a parking lot or roadway? Did God “miracle” him there? Perhaps you could have detained him without hurting him by using your liberal-propaganda writing skills.

I have also listened to the drug addicted burglar’s family attorney justifying the maniac’s behavior . He said that since the victim’s door was unlocked and he (drug addicted burglar) was only trying to touch her “aura” he did nothing wrong. Give me a break, what has happened to people being responsible in