Twenty Minutes With Hillary
The presidential hopeful tells WW in an exclusive interview about LNG, medical weed and tattoos.
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[April 9th, 2008]
Hillary Clinton never seemed further from the White House and its glamour than last Saturday.
During a campaign swing April 5 through Oregon, the Democratic presidential hopeful was in Hillsboro, 3,000 miles from Washington, D.C., sitting in a chair talking to WW under fluorescent lights in Liberty High School’s sports-training room.
If we had any doubt about how badly the New York senator and former first lady wants to be president, it vanished when she spent 20 minutes surrounded by Powerade coolers and sweat-soaked massage tables, making her pitch for Portland’s progressive vote.
Clinton told the enthusiastic crowd of about 3,500 people in Hillsboro whether she’ll stay in the race (she will) and what she thinks of her Democratic rival, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama (too many empty promises). We hit her with a mix of Oregon-specific questions before asking her the offbeat ones.
Here’s what she had to say about timber payments, domestic partnerships and why Bill Clinton may not have been president without her.
WW: You said in your remarks that placing liquefied natural gas facilities in Oregon should be a local decision and that you worked against an LNG project in New York. What did you do?
Hillary Clinton: Several years ago there was a proposal to put an LNG terminal in the middle of Long Island Sound. But I and other elected officials and activist groups...joined together and had a lot of activity around our opposition to this. We held press conferences, we went down to the beach right across from where the terminal would have been, we filed papers talking about how damaging it would be and dangerous as well. And then the [2005 Energy Policy Act] basically stripped us of the ability to contest it, and similarly here in Oregon with these three proposed sites.
Do you object on environmental grounds, or is it just not a good energy mix?
All the above and more.… In the absence of independent environmental assessments, there should not be siting decisions made. I also object to it on the basis that we’ve got to come up with our Declaration of Energy Independence plan, as I call it, to really look at how we’re going to move away from carbon-based energy and create incentives for renewables. Why would we be moving down this track until we saw where it fit into our broader plan to improve our security and reduce or reverse global warming and create jobs in renewables? That should be our priority now.
Oregon stands to lose some $8 million over five years in timber payments to rural counties. Do you support keeping that money in the budget?
I support [Oregon] Sen. [Ron] Wyden’s efforts to do that.… If it came down to it and my vote was necessary, I would come back [to the Senate] and vote in order to make sure that it was reinstated. It’s a breach of faith. It’s an incredible burden on rural counties that are deprived of a tax base because of all of the federally owned property. It goes hand in hand with the Bush administration’s failure to implement a sensible forest policy that would actually put people to work thinning the forests.
Do you ever see a time when those payments will go away?
I think if there were one, it would have to be far enough out that people could plan for it. You don’t just drop it on them and say, “Sorry, you’re not going to get any more payments, you’re done.”
What would you do as president about the federal government not recognizing Oregon’s Medical Marijuana Program as legal?
We’ve got to have a clear understanding of the workings of pain relief and the control of pain. And there needs to be greater research and openness to the research that’s already been done. I don’t think it’s a good use of federal law-enforcement resources to be going after people who are supplying marijuana for medicinal purposes.
So you’d stop the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency’s raids on medical marijuana grows?
What we would do is prioritize what the DEA should be doing, and that would not be a high priority. There’s a lot of other more important work that needs to be done.
Should medical marijuana be covered by insurance?
I don’t have enough information to know anything about that.
President Clinton in 1996 signed the Defense of Marriage Act, which prevents the federal government from recognizing same-sex unions. Did you support that decision?
I did. It proved to be a wise decision because it enabled us to prevent the [2006] Federal Marriage Amendment from passing. I was one of the leaders in the fight against that. I was responsible for coordinating the strategy with the LGBT community, and [because of] DOMA and our ability to say marriage does not belong in the federal Constitution…we were able to defeat it.
Would you try to change DOMA as president?
I would like to repeal that part of the DOMA act which prevents the federal government from extending full benefits to same-sex couples. And I will work and achieve that, because then Social Security and every other benefit that is related to federal service or federal citizenship would be as widely available for same-sex couples as for straight couples, and that is exactly the way it should happen. That gives Oregon the right to decide what it wants to do, but the federal government has to stand behind that for it to be fully realized.
Is Wyden’s Healthy Americans Act a model for your own healthcare plan?
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I’m very impressed with the work that Ron has done. I believe it’s the first bipartisan universal healthcare act ever introduced in the Senate.… If Sen. Wyden’s bill were to come to my desk as president, I would sign it. I am in favor of universal health care…. If we can get universal health care, that is a dream fulfilled for me.
Did you co-sponsor Wyden’s bill?
No, I haven’t co-sponsored it yet because I have my own plan, and my plan has certain features that I really like about it. I think it’s somewhat less drastic a change than Sen. Wyden’s bill would be. It leaves people who are happy with what they have exactly the status quo, with no disruption.
With Oregon the only state to allow assisted suicide, what role should the federal government have in either regulating it or extending it?
I respect Oregon’s decision-making on this issue.… A state like Oregon can blaze the trail, so to speak, and tell us whether this has problems that need to be addressed. Personally I have a lot of questions about assisted suicide, but I don’t think it’s the role of the federal government to substitute its judgment for a well-conceived and appropriately regulated and implemented system that a state wishes to support.
About 3,500 Oregon National Guard troops will be deployed for action in 2009 either in Afghanistan or Iraq. If you were president, is there any chance they would be sent to Iraq?
No.
If you and Bill Clinton had never met, where would you be today?
This is almost impossible, because we’ve been together for so long. I believe that he would have been in public life and been very successful. He would have gone to Arkansas, as he did, because he loved Arkansas. He would have run for office and he would have been elected. Whether or not he would have been president, who knows, that’s so unpredictable. I think that I would have lived and worked probably somewhere on the East Coast, maybe Washington but more likely New York or Boston, two cities that I really love. I would have probably continued work as a child advocate.
You wouldn’t have run for office?
I never thought that I had any interest in being in elected life. I was always interested in changing conditions that affected people, particularly kids.
If you had to get a tattoo, what would it be?
If I was under duress? Gosh, I have been asked millions of questions, and no one has ever asked me that. I have so little interest in having a tattoo, that I just am going to have to ponder this. It can be really, really small, right? I think it would be really, really small, like under a microscope, and it would say “love.”
Where would you put it?
(laughing) I’m not gonna tell you that!
^WEB EXCLUSIVE
Are there things your husband and his administration could have done better in boosting clean energy?
It’s fair to say that the only tax credits that the Republican congress would not approve are the ones that [President] Bill [Clinton] and [Vice President] Al Gore presented for changing the energy mix and providing consumers with incentives to buy clean energy and gas-efficient cars. The Republican Congress, starting in 1995, was dead set against doing what needed to be done. I think that there are always opportunities for improvement. Certainly Vice President Gore led the charge and was really committed, my husband as well, but didn’t get as far as they wished they could have gotten.
What do you think of Oregon’s vote-by-mail system as a national model?
I think Oregon has enough experience with it and a track record that certainly answers a lot of questions that people have as to whether it can be safe, fraud-proof. Oregon has a great experience with it. Most other states are only at the beginning of exploring that. So I hope if states decide to pursue it, they learn how Oregon has done it so effectively all these years. I want to make voting as easy as possible so the maximum amount of people can participate, but I also want to make sure that it is as accountable as it needs to be.
Should there be a federal role to fund pilot projects?
I think there could well be.… It is outrageous that in our country we can’t seem to run elections that give people confidence in the outcomes. Other countries manage to do it. They use all different kinds of systems, from India to Europe, with results that people accept, and we just keep stumbling over how we’re going to vote. So I believe strongly that we need federal support. We have a commission that was set up, the [U.S.] Election Assistance Commission, under the [Help America Vote] Act. It’s never been funded, it’s never been given any real support, it’s not asked to play a visible role. Contrast that for example with the way India has a civil service, almost like a federal reserve board, running their elections, totally nonpartisan, and the people are given great authority and resources to conduct these elections, and from everything I know, do it with a real sense of acceptance by the electorate. So let’s tap the federal government to play that role in trying to move us forward.
6,000: People who attended Clinton rallies in both cities
25,800: People who attended Obama rallies last month in four Oregon cities
1: Clinton campaign offices in Oregon
6: Obama campaign offices in Oregon
"... American Presidential politics are at best a cynical business. The outcome is typically determined, at least since the ill-fated campaign of George McGovern in 1972, by major corporate lobbyists and behind-the-scenes money interests who have little interest in national issues other than their own. Now, with the sudden departure of Hillary Clinton�s main campaign strategist, Mark Penn, it is clear that the powerful interests originally backing Clinton have decided to end the game with her."
F. William Engdahl, April 8, 2008.
If politicians like Clinton, Obama, Wyden and Kulongoski are finally ready to sponsor legislation to give some energy authority back to the states, they should include provisions to open up the classified Waterways Suitability Assessment to public scrutiny. As it stands now, this study is kept secret, and the public cannot find out what most affects the security and safety around LNG ships and terminals. If energy corporations have a right to know, why shouldn't the people in the vicinity also be informed? Maybe if the public knew, it would be easy to reject these projects.
you're going to have to wait forever
wake up and smell the coffee. she would destroy this great country with all the other liberal scrumbags
So why wasn't there a "Twenty Minutes with Barack" article? Are you guys in the tank or what?
Hi Micah,
We've made every effort to land an interview with Barack Obama to provide readers with his view on Oregon issues. No luck so far.
If you'd like to lend your voice and encourage Obama to give us an interview, please contact his campaign's Portland office in the old Wild Oats grocery store at 3016 SE Division St.
Micah, why do you think WW was so pro-Hillary last week?
She had to feel she had a local "voice" that would make her political statements seem true.
I really enjoyed the interview, thank you. I'm not sure why the above person is attacking her response to medicinal marijauna, seems like she: Thinks there are better things for the DEA to be doing then focusing on MM
and she stated she didn't have enough personal info on whether it should be covered by insurance.
She answered the questions presented to her.
I wish all of the cynical people could hear her speak she is so very intelligent and well versed she will be a fab president. You need to listen to her not the one minute blurps on tv=
Uh oh, Hillary is actually being considered for President? Oh no, has anyone checked out the record on the Clintons - you know, the profiteering war mongering for example?
The Clintons have monetary questions to answer big time.
Too many “terrorist attacks” happened on “their watch.” For example, study the whole truth about the Oklahoma Bombings. The Clintons are globalists, too, and the OK terrorism has been questioned to be a possible “false flag.”
Monsanto and GMOs, NAFTA and all the single handed destruction of not just our local farms and food but indeed, the Honey Bees and our birds.
This according to Einstein signifies an end to our ability to survive as a species, pollination is everything.
Those who are loyal to the global investors are not loyal to national sovereign countries. I’ve included a very important happening in Peru at this time and it is AFTER they’ve taken back the sovereignty of the country.
Please do not vote simply due to gender or race.
Study the Clintons and every single TRILATERAL as well as COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS and other MULTINATIONAL/TRANSNATIONAL Corporation/s they "trade stocks in the international markets, with global partners" as their "wealth."
Frankly, I don’t see one "Presidential" worth voting for. They are all globalists and proud of it.
Privatizing everything that can be since the global investors are going broke due to monetary fraud.
America is it for the final stripping.
Write in your favorite person because George W. Bush's purchase transaction in Peru has been rumored to have fallen through.
The globalists’ pick for Japan's coup d' etat has been "caught."
Hopefully our own criminals in charge of the country for far too long now and the coup in 2000, get their turn.
It'll be none too soon for me!
The entire read is here:
Probable Cause Evidence Implicating Fujimori
hrw.org/reports/2005/peru1205/index...
II. Background: The Fujimori Government Former President Fujimori currently faces charges in twenty-one criminal cases in Peru. Most of the charges relate to corruption and the misappropriation of public funds. The crimes charged are not isolated acts of personal enrichment, however. Rather, they reflect a broader strategy by the government to hold and maintain power through corruption and the manipulation of democratic institutions. Indeed, during Fujimori?s time in power, virtually all of Peru?s democratic institutions were exploited and captured by the presidency via a combination of strong-arm tactics, extortion, and bribery. Thus, while maintaining the appearance of legality, Fujimori?s government replaced the rule of law with the rule of the strongman. The abuses and corruption of the Fujimori government can be traced back to its earliest days, when then-President Fujimori, according to witnesses, started ordering that the phone calls of politicians and others be tapped. Shortly afterwards, in 1991, the Colina Group, a squad of military and intelligence operatives, allegedly began committing a series of extrajudicial killings and ?disappearances? as part of a strategy of physical elimination of suspected subversives. On April 5, 1992, with the backing of the Peru?s armed forces, Fujimori dissolved the opposition-controlled Congress in a ?self-coup? and took complete control of the government. In the years that followed, he drew up a new constitution and replaced much of the judiciary. At the same time, his government made significant progress on the economic front and in fighting the Shining Path. Thanks to these successes, Fujimori was reelected president in 1995, obtaining a congressional majority. After the 1995 elections, the Fujimori government respected the formal trappings of democracy, but steadily eroded democratic institutions. Fujimori ordered that his close personal advisor, Vladimiro Montesinos, be given de facto control over the National Intelligence Service (SIN), and, according to witnesses, ordered that millions of dollars be diverted to the SIN from the armed forces and Ministries of Defense and Interior. In turn, Montesinos used these funds, as well as other illicitly obtained cash, to buy off politicians, co-opt judges, and wrest editorial control from media owners. In some instances he also obtained loyalty or silence by extortion and blackmail. The SIN and Army Intelligence tapped the phones of journalists, civil society activists, and politicians, kept them under observation, and engaged in undercover operations to intimidate and threaten them. Montesinos and Fujimori maintained an extremely close relationship. According to various military and government officials, Fujimori introduced Montesinos to them as his representative and the person through which they should communicate with him, and Fujimori met with Montesinos every night.1 Former Commander General of the Army, Nicolas de Bari Hermoza, has testified that during much of his government, Fujimori actually resided in SIN headquarters, the base from where Montesinos operated.2 By the year 2000, through corruption, extortion, and intimidation, the presidency had achieved near-total control not only over the Congress, but also over the judiciary, the prosecutorial system, the electoral monitoring bodies, the financial and tax system, and a substantial segment of the media, especially television. To date, anti-corruption courts in Peru have charged 1,509 people for crimes committed in this context, and U.S.$197,628,788 of stolen money has been repatriated from foreign bank accounts.
Unfortunately Obama is also a globalist. This is beyond disappointing but it is what it is. Hillary, Obama, McCain. Globalists and this means more of the same ole same ole .... Rockefeller families and others continue to control through the multi-national corporations that have relocated to China and other countries where human rights are secondary to money, so more profits can be earned.
No thank you I've had enough of the globalists already.
Who do we vote for is the most frightening question we've faced as a nation in my life time.
Hillary is clearly the best choice. Obama is pro-nuclear, pro-coal, pro-nafta, and rose with the help of a slum lord. Hillary can't speak in complete sentences, not hemming and hawing like a "liberal George W.". Who uses the term "Globalist"? I majored in international affairs and never heard of it. Is it a Lyndon LaRouche term? The anti-semitic who was a tax dodging felon before you were born? I wish people would stop conversing in non-sequitist mumbo jumbo imaginings, and listen to people who are actually educated and do not have stretched earlobes? I mean when you wake up at 35 and no one will hire you, you will regret all of those stupid tattoos. Smoking is bad for you. The end of the world is at stake, and you are worried about hooking up on Friday night. Only a strong, tricky democrat who can think on her feet and speak like someone who has read a book before can take on the republicans, are we forgetting who the real enemy is? Bill Clinton was as tricky as the Republicans and that is why he won. Global Warming, ever heard of it? The bees are dying, there will be no food unless something is done, wasting your vote on nader or a republican looney like Ron Paul is not going to do anything. You have to stop worrying about being to cool for school. You have to stop criticizing people who are on the side of good, and realize that Obama is not perfect, that we need someone who can finish a sentence. Intelligence is more than a tone of voice. It is more than a sarcastic non-sequtiter that really doesn't mean anything if you think about it. Sometimes Obama sounds like Martin Luther King, but more often he sounds like George W. Has anyone seen the debates? If you smoke, you are not smart enough to vote. The people who are critical of Hillary, what have they done thats so special? They can make a design in someones cappucino, big deal. Have they tried to implement universal health care? Smoking is bad for the environment, causes cancer. Obama smokes, he can't be that smart.
This just in. The New York LNG project was rejected by New York Governor Paterson, a long time supporter of Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton was integral in stopping this environmental disaster from being built. She could stop the LNG terminal in the Columbia river too, if people let her. This is huge, more than Obama has done. Please listen to her speak, go to a rally, and realize that she is our best hope for surviving as a species.
Will Clinton stop LNG the same way she stopped NAFTA? Listening to her speak, all I know is that she is the best hope for our political species. Only the people taking control again will stop LNG. It takes only common sense to know that LNG is a bad idea.
The fact that Hillary would allow the DEA to continue to target our most vulnerable fellow citizens (legitimate medical marijuana patients) is terrifying, especially in lieu of the strong support for medical marijuana, from organizations like the American College of Physicians, the National Institute of Health, the New England Journal of Medicine, the British Medical Association, The Lancet, etc...
Hillary is back-pedaling away from her stated commitment to END THE MODERN DAY WITCH-HUNT OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA PATIENTS.
It would have been very easy for Hillary to say "I will END the raids" AGAIN. But she didn't.
Hillary will lie about anything to get elected. What a LOSER.
HILLARY AND BILL CLINTON ARE GLOBALISTS, AND ANYONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW THIS TERM AND/OR PRETENDS TO NOT, IS ... well, you be the JUDGE �political incest?
More interesting is that �Democrat� Penn�s Burson-Marsteller Worldwide owns BKSH & Associates, a major political lobbying firm run by Charles R. Black, Jr. counsellor to Republican Presidents. Black now works full time for the campaign of Republican John McCain. In other words, Black heads a firm whose boss is �Democrat� Clinton top strategist, at the same time Black is Republican opponent John McCain�s top strategist.
In turn, Penn�s firm, Burson-Marsteller is owned by British advertising and Public Relations giant, WPP Group which employs as lobbyists a former Republican National Committee chairman, Ed Gillespie; a former House of Representatives Republican leader, Robert S. Walker, top Republican fundraiser, Wayne L. Berman and the former media adviser to George W. Bush, Mark McKinnon.
In the wake of the resignation of Mark Penn, reports in Washington are that James Carville, former 1992 campaign adviser to Bill Clinton, to Tony Blair and Israel�s Ehud Barak, will assume the role of campaign strategist. It is worth noting that Carville is also deep in Washington political incest. While Carville was running the 1992 Clinton strategy, Carville�s fiancee, Mary Matalin was running the campaign strategy of President George Herbert Walker Bush. As the old expression goes, US politics at least, has indeed strange bedfellows."
F. William Endgahl April 8, 2008
I can't remember when I've seen someone who honks at length about "globalism" offer a practical alternative. All the "sky-is-falling" claims about the Trilateral Commission, the Rockefellers, the Illuminati and owl worship at Bohemian Grove are amusing in small doses but ultimately carry a whiff of paranoia.
Broadly speaking, of course. Not calling out anybody in this thread.
Since there's nothing provable either way about the Illuminati and owl worship, and since we face a SERIOUS choice in November between competing values -- pro-life vs. pro-choice, surge vs. pullout -- I'd encourage anybody with time on their hands to look very closely about what we can change this fall.
Practical alternative is simple. Do not vote for anyone who is considered a globalist. Simply, full transparency. Who cares whether or not the person is labeled a "globalist" for pity's sake, it's just a way in which to identify. Affiliations of "wealth building" cannot be a conflict of interest. This means the masses do not get sacrificed at the expense of those who profess to be "owners." Stock portfolios must be transparent just as taxes are. Should unjust profiteering be exposed then the person does not get to be a leader of a sovereign nation. Elitism is what it is. Humans who trade other humans as disposable commodities (weapons, war, drugs, etc.) are not fit to be "leaders of the free world." How smart is it to not demand full disclosure and therefore complete financial accountability. A conflict of interest is just that. What's wrong with being intelligent enough to elect our leaders according to their fiduciary responsibility to our self, family, friends, and but of course, nation? The portfolios of the Clintons (since tragically we'd get both of them again OMG), Obama, and McCain must be 100% transparent. Should any candidate who is running for an office that can only be obtained through a we the people vote, and they have stock options in conflict with the best interest of the people who they take an oath to serve, then it's just plain common sense. No to "free market capitalism." It is not free for the people, just ask pnacISscary. I bet this person does not give a rats you know what that the globalists -- and this allows me to not have to name all those political rock stars thank you very much -- get to retire in Dubai. Go study the most opulent waterfront in Dubai and then ask those of our very own elite about the portfolio stock in this little bit of heaven. Yes the "Housing Bubble" and other bubbles were grand for all the multi-billionaires in Congress. Who to vote for is indeed the question but first sneaking up behind us, then pulling the rug out from underneath us and .... slitting our throats from behind. Nah, intelligent consumer sounds like something I can achieve. Demanding before November full disclosure from the presidential candidates of 2008.
Just thought you may wish to do some investigative forensics about what's actually going on in the world.
Here's the globalists' attorney, and his programs for the LNG in Oregon are also included.
Ask the Clintons, Obama and McCain what their affiliation/s are with respect to the following:
Related Publications, Speeches and Presentations Stuart Solsky Partner
Global Projects
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, New York 10112-4498
United States of America
Phone: 212.408.2558
Fax: 212.259.2558
Education and Honors
J.D., Columbia Law School, 1982
Editor in Chief, Columbia Journal of Law and Social Problems
Harlan Fiske Stone Scholar
M.B.A., Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, 1980
B.S. (summa cum laude), Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, 1979
Selected by International Financial Law Review as one of the world's leading project finance attorneys, 2007
Named a "New York Super Lawyer" in New York Super Lawyers, Manhattan Edition, a special supplement in The New York Times by Law & Politics, 2006
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New York State Bar
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So, what you say now Guffman? Are you ready to do some homework and revisit the tin foil hat BS that everyone who is part of this stupidity or just stupid, attempt to use as ?
I can't figure out the idiocy.
Practical Alternative to Globalism:
How about letting other countries govern themselves and letting them hang themselves, when needed? How about we stop meddling in others' affairs and stop making a play for others' resources?
Then, MAYBE there would be less "blowback" and more "cooperation" with regard to sharing said resources. At least, we would have more genuine allies...
And maybe I could afford to gas my car again someday.
Biloxi - Some people have way too much time on their hands.....aahemm...The bottom line is someone will be elected President of the US in a few very short months. Who among the cnadidates will be msot effective across the board, especially considering that our current situation is rather a giant mess.
I say it's time to end the dominant patriarchal paradigm and bring about a balance of feminine and masculine principles. Electing a female for Presidnet will begin this necessary transition. Please vote Hillary...
I would love to. I wanted to. I am one of the first feminists and this is precisely what I should be doing, voting for a woman president.
Gunga - I do appreciate your very gentle appeal and your heart is 100% convincing - I just can't.
My conscience won't let me and here is why and there is another article by F. William Engdahl about the Carvilles. The idea of another group of political rock stars like Bush, Cheney, Rice, and so on, is too much for my comprehension. I hate globalists, all of them:
"...With calls for Senator Clinton to abandon what is now seen as little more than a schismatic adventure that risks a fracture along a racial faultline dividing the Democratic Party just as the Whig Party was fractured by race, some have deduced that the probable motive driving the sinking campaign deeper into the mire is a misplaced belief some attribute to James Carville that they can torpedo Obama’s presidential ambitions; survive the disaster of his loss to McCain and prevail as owners of the Democratic Party through the agency of the now discredited Democratic Leadership Council. With James Carville, Stanley Greenberg and Terry McAuliffe safely back in charge of the DNC - and with that upstart Howard Dean back in Vermont - the Clintons can scheme their way to the presidential nomination in 2012 or so the theory goes.
One prognostication is perfectly clear: If she persists long after the final set of primaries, the damage to the Clinton brand will be irreversible.
and no gunga, not enough time is spent in being what the Greeks taught us not to do and or be ... an idiot. the term idiot came from the Greeks and it meant that the citizen was not politically intelligent, btw.
I honestly have no idea who to vote for. I considered Ron Paul but I wasn't committed. He's the only honest Congress Person that understands and teaches global economics and has for more than 40 years. This impresses me.
Honestly I'm devastated at the lack of leadership in the U.S.
Studying the global market and seeing what the other countries are hoping for cause they can often times have a much clearer perspective than Americans.
And also, researching how to bring wealth back to our great country rather than watching it disappear.
Committed to creating new "ideas" of professional accountability and how to bring this intention into reality.
Americans must learn how to protect their wealth. Not one of these presidential elects is talking about the future wealth and how to bring the power back to the west.
We can't afford China to be the new superpower.
Too much of a chance of another Dark Ages. That is our true disaster to face.
East dominating west is not a good balance when the east is clearly not evolved enough.
Rome may be corrupt but China is far too big and the number/s of people far, far exceed the numbers in the west.
Humanitarian issues in China are beyond our wildest imaginations. The torture the Bush Administration forced the U.S. to participate in is nothing compared to what China does to its numbers of people for population control.
China is getting too comfortable with such things as its military guard marching in San Francisco to protect the Olympic torch and prepared to control protesters by force.
Why are questions about China and our U.S. debt not being asked to Hillary, Obama and McCain?
What are we going to do with a multi-trillion dollar war bill owed to China?
I can't just throw dice and hope one of the candidates is going to lead. I want proof.
Economic forensics is a clear conscience.
This is the one thing that impresses me most of all about Ron Paul and that he's 100% transparent with his retirement portfolio and taxes.
Trust is mandatory in this new paradigm.
"Feminine" "principles" are not the sole province of females. Voting for someone soley on the basis of gender thinking that will automatically mean we will be guided by the feminine is incredibly naive. I think all her invoking of her "love of working with children" is just her effort to paint herself as more feminine. What "working with children" have we seen? And what has she chosen to do instead?
Look at Clinton's record. all this talk of her "experience"--WHAT experience? Can you say "SOUND BYTE?" OK she's older and like anyone older they have more "experience." But is she EFFECTIVE? Do people LIKE working with her? Ive been following the candidates closely (I don't watch tv, btw) and clearly Obama trumps Clinton on both counts. Clinton is way too polarizing to be effective once in office. She is 100% establishment status quo. She is a total corporatist--forget globalist! She has served on boards of major corporations and her faux populist rhetoric is unnatural for her. She is a typical politician who says what she thinks she needs to say, and VERY CAREFULLY.
Let's not elect another President just because they have a familiar name and their sound bytes resonate.
Obama projects more masculine-feminine balance and straight-talk than any candidate in recent memory. Read his recent speaches at high school rallies and you will be amazed. "Typical politician" is not the phrase that springs to mind. Clinton is so 90s. We need someone who is forward-looking because this world is changing faster every day.
The American people are told nothing about this, of course. The presidential candidates will say nothing about it – or about any of the other flashing danger signals as we careen toward another murderous catastrophe. The "progressive" movement, now consumed with the minutiae of the squabble between Clinton and Obama – both of whom have repeatedly declared their bellicosity toward Iran, and their fierce insistence that all options, including the use of nuclear weapons, remain "on the table" – will no doubt continue its long inaction and avoidance of the subject, as Arthur Silber notes so powerfully here, while also providing active, practical steps that could be taken to head off another war -- something no one else is bothering to do.
We'll let Silber have the last word here:
So what is your choice? Do the world -- and your life, and the lives of those you love -- mean so little to you, that you will risk losing them all? Is that what you want? Do you still choose to do nothing?
Do you?
"So, what you say now Guffman? Are you ready to do some homework and revisit the tin foil hat BS that everyone who is part of this stupidity or just stupid, attempt to use as ?": Oooh, PLEASE give me a red pencil....
At another time, under another name, I spent months -- literally -- of my life trying to flense the Truth out of the claims of True Believers like Biloxi. I gave it up. It's pointless. You can't convince a True Believer of anything he/she doesn't Believe, and the general public doesn't care one way or another. Even so, here are some hints for those who might want to take up the gauntlet:
- Consider the source. (Don't take anything at face value. Don't be swayed automatically by an impressive name like "F. William Engdahl." Trace the "facts" back to original sources & assess their credibility. If the initial statement came from, say, Art Bell, you might want to think twice about it.)
- Verbs have meaning. (Operation Northwoods is the classic example the True Believers offer of a "false flag" operation. Briefly: Some U.S. generals wrote a paper in the '60s outlining a plan to terrorize Cubans in America planes, setting off bombs, etc., then claiming the Cuban government committed the deeds. Yes, it was WRITTEN, but it was never IMPLEMENTED. Lots of things are written and never implemented. Yet the True Believers still wave Operation Northwoods like a bloody shirt, as an example of government perfidy. And it's nonsense.)
- Sharpen your critical-thinking skills. (The arguments of a True Believer will undoubtedly drift into deep rhetorical shoals. Watch out for Guilt by Association, the Slippery Slope Fallacy, the Appeal to Ignorance, Amphiboly, Red Herrings, and other logical faults. They matter. Conspiracy theories get a lot of mileage out of tricky rhetoric.)
- Don't be buffaloed. (True Believers will take their arguments into intriguing non sequiturs. For example, you'll be discussing, say, phone communications from Flight 93 on Sept. 11, 2001, and suddenly you find yourself discussing Operation Northwoods. You are perfectly within your rights to demand that the argument get back on topic. If they ask you, "What about the buffalo?" and you feel forced to answer, you've lost.)
"I can't figure out the idiocy": Me, neither.
BTW, Engdahl is on the right track concerning control of the Party. That's not rocket science, however. It's basic Party Politics. Hunter S. Thompson had this dynamic in focus back in 1972.
You know, Guffman, once upon a time a position was created for me and it was to be an investigator for the Plaintiff “Flagship” Law Firm in the State of Oregon. That was more than a decade ago now.
It appears to me that you are impressed with your own smarts.
When you must write such things as: “Don't be buffaloed. (True Believers will take their arguments into intriguing non sequiturs ....”
Ok, I did not want to play this game with you and you should not waste the time of those who come here to read and become well informed.
Shame on you.
Should you be as smart as you like to write, stating further: “Conspiracy theories get a lot of mileage out of tricky rhetoric.”
FLENSE ... Please it was not I who used this word and I grew up in Alaska before it was a state. Whale blubber is well known to me.
AMPHIBOLY
What argument are you worried about losing?
Which words do you think I’m going to linguistically use to create an illusion of cogency?
Or do you think it is I who is weaving the ambiguous grammar in and out of lame directives to get people to think/believe, in a certain way/fashion?
I don’t think what I’m writing touches your linguistic boobytraps (this is what you are stating about me “tricky rhetoric”), as opposed to MY HOPE --
to expose the equivocation of Hillary, Obama and McCain.
Unlike your fallacy of AMPHIBOLY.
Begin with that bullshit Guffman.
You are so educational about all this. Why I didn’t even bring up “Operation Northwoods,” but you seemed awfully concerned about making certain those who may or may not read what Biloxi writes could possibly stir up a curiosity .....
OPERATION NORTHWOODS.
Hey everybody go study OPERATION NORTHWOODS very carefully since Guffman has made certain you think Biloxi is going to teach about it. And gee, her father was a pilot for the CIA so she may actually know a thing or two, eh Guffman?
I let people do their own reading and discovering. This is the only way humans learn to be critical thinkers.
You on the other had were clearly directing people HOW TO THINK CRITICALLY.
Now why would anyone who is a “teacher” wish to fill one with already pre-digested critical thinking?
Here is another of your comments: “F. William Engdahl ... Consider the source. (Don't take anything at face value. Don't be swayed automatically by an impressive name like ....
F. William Engdahl was born and raised in TEXAS USA. He attended the prestigious Princeton and lo, behold, he is personally acquainted with this time in that the “Oligarchs” are definitely blue bloods who call themselves such names as the Cabots who speak only to the Lodges and the Lodges speak only to God and they all go to Harvard, Yale, Princeton and a few other snob royalty “institutions” of “higher learning.”
You know Guffman, all those little nuances – a secret language to understand they are “preferred stock” and the “common stock” (that would be you and me) do not get to know those little handshakes and all.
The audacity to name drop: Hunter S. Thompson indeed.
Did you know him well? I really never did like his writing, btw.
"You know, Guffman, once upon a time a position was created for me and it was to be an investigator for the Plaintiff 'Flagship' Law Firm in the State of Oregon. That was more than a decade ago now": How nice for you. I was voted Best Senior Musician in my high school.
Non sequitur. Check.
"It appears to me that you are impressed with your own smarts": I left out the fact that True Believers invariably take their positions personally & resort to insults quickly.
BTW, ditto for you, Mister Legal Investigator.
"...Begin with that bullshit Guffman": Gosh, I can't tell what you're driving at. I'm being accused of something, but I can't tell what, because your grammar is ambiguous. (Amphiboly. Check.) I don't know where to begin. So I won't.
Expose the candidates' equivocation, do. But when I find myself in the middle of an 800-word cut-and-paste about Peruvian politics, I feel I'm being buffaloed. (Buffaloed. Check.)
"...And gee, her father was a pilot for the CIA so she may actually know a thing or two, eh Guffman?": Eh? Huh? WHOSE father was a... oh, never mind.
"...You know Guffman, all those little nuances – a secret language to understand they are 'preferred stock' and the 'common stock' (that would be you and me) do not get to know those little handshakes and all": No argument there. There are serious class differences in this country. I'd consider voting for Brian Moore, the Socialist Party USA candidate for president. Except this election is going to be close, and as I mentioned earlier, there are serious issues at stake. Which you don't seem willing to acknowledge.
"...The audacity to name drop: Hunter S. Thompson indeed": Hey, Thompson was born and raised in KENTUCKY USA. He held no degree higher than an honorary doctorate in divinity and lo, his "Fear and Loathing: On the Campaign Trail '72" remains the most incisive book I've seen on the realities of American politics. That's where he described the situation of Democratic bosses facing McGovern's candidacy: If elected, McGovern could rebuild the Party in his own image, and people like Daley and Meany would be out in the cold. The important thing for them was to keep control of the Party. Same for the Clintons today, I suspect.
This is what every future leader should know and MY HOPE is that LEADERS are coming of age to MANIFEST/LIVE/BE in the greatest time on planet Earth:
"...The most brilliant banking model in our national history was established in the first half of the eighteenth century, in Benjamin Franklin's home province of Pennsylvania. The local government created its own bank, which issued money and lent it to farmers at a modest interest. The provincial government created enough extra money to cover the interest not created in the original loans, spending it into the economy on public services. The bank was publicly owned, and the bankers it employed were public servants. The interest generated on its loans was sufficient to fund the government without taxes; and because the newly issued money came back to the government, the result was not inflationary.7 The Pennsylvania banking scheme was a sensible and highly workable system that was a product of American ingenuity but that never got a chance to prove itself after the colonies became a nation. It was an ironic twist, since according to Benjamin Franklin and others, restoring the power to create their own currency was a chief reason the colonists fought for independence. The bankers' money-creating machine has had two centuries of empirical testing and has proven to be a failure. It is time the sovereign right to create money is taken from a private banking elite and restored to the American people to whom it properly belongs.
www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...
Ellen Brown, J.D., developed her research skills as an attorney practicing civil litigation in Los Angeles. In Web of Debt, her latest book, she turns those skills to an analysis of the Federal Reserve and "the money trust." She shows how this private cartel has usurped the power to create money from the people themselves, and how we the people can get it back. Her eleven books include the bestselling Nature's Pharmacy, co-authored with Dr. Lynne Walker, which has sold 285,000 copies.
Her websites are www.webofdebt.com and www.ellenbrown.com
A potential nightmare? I do not believe the US can afford a war with Iran and China, do you? In a word, tragic!
THE US MUST MINT ITS OWN CURRENCY. It's this simple for the US to keep the power of a sovereign nation, at home.
www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...
Pres. Mahmud Ahmadinejad of Iran at SCO meeting, July 2007
From a Western-centric point of view, the United States and its allies are pushing Iran into a corner.
A broader perspective would indicate that we might simply be driving Iran into the arms of Asia.
On March 24, Iran’s official media reported that Iran will apply for full membership in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), a would-be nascent EU-esque community headed by China and Russia and containing a fistful of continental Asian states.
Non sequitur:
Here is my most favorite of all with respect to this most wonderful word/thought/image, etc. and so on ...
"...Well known as a classical music writer for the Seattle Weekly and radio commentator on KUOW, Borchert is also an accomplished composer whose works are heard all too infrequently. Performing along with the composer/pianist will be an ace ensemble of local musicians: soprano Hope Wechkin, pianists Amy Rubin and Keith Eisenbrey, cellist (and KUOW host) Dave Beck, violinist Matthew Weiss, guitarist Mark Wilson, and cellist Julian Schwarz.
Nonsequitur
Supporting a wide range of adventurous music and sound art through recordings, performances, and exhibitions since 1989.
My cat's breath smells like cat food
Biloxi you are on to something, but perhaps even you are a bit naive. Let me school everyone here about our political system. There is no difference between the Republican and Democrat parties. Both parties are owned by the banking cartel which controls our money supply.
The international bankers headed by the Rothschilds' of England control the United States through their main agents the Rockefeller family. The Federal Reserve is not part of the Federal government. It is privately owned by the very same banking families described above.
You have heard the saying,"he who ownes the gold makes the rules." Well the bankers own the money supply and control the issuing of credit and they make the rules. The biggest names in both parties are bought and play along with the game. We don't elect the presidents, the global elites do. Elections are just a ruse that they play on the sheeple to make us feel like we actually live in a democracy.
It's hard for me to fathom the sheer stupidity of people who actually fall for this phony rock star act and get weepy eyed whenever their favorite politician rolls into town. It's all and act folks.
Our currency is deliberately being devalued by these same bankers to bring us down to 2nd or 3rd world status to help usher in the North American Union, with the new currency being th Amero. Yep, that's right boys and girls. No more pesky Constitution or Bill of Rights. No more America.
Once this North American Union is established a Asian Union and African Union, Middle East Union will most likely follow. This will make it easier for the Global Elites to roll us up into one totalitarian burrito called One World Government. Don't believe me? Why don't you read David Rockefeller's memoir yourself where he admits to being part of a conspiracy to bring about World Government and he's pretty damn proud of it.
So you can squabble about Obama or Clinton all you like, but it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. Your future has already been planned for you. Have a nice day.
In a recent Pennsylvania political ad, 3 year-old Hillary Rodham, arms extended, toddles toward the home-movie camera. Hillary's present day voice-over explains the Rodham family cottage, down by the lake, lacked indoor plumbing. It was hardship borne from the start. Yet, more telling events seem to fall by the wayside. Take twenty-seven year old Hillary's first real job. The upshot: Jerry Zeifman fired Hillary for unethical practices during the Watergate Investigation. Why was Hillary fired? “Because she was a liar,” Zeifman said in a recent interview. “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”
Not only does Mr. Zeifman’s story go to character, it goes to a lifelong pattern of lying and obfuscation. And, it took Zeifman twelve years to get it aired. After Watergate, Zeifman could not recommend Hillary for any subsequent position of public or private trust, nor furnish her with a letter of recommendation. After that, Hillary Clinton's employment record is one of strict nepotism, cronyism, and amnesia. Although few suspected the lengths to which Hillary would go, a leopard never changes her spots. Again, Hillary Clinton is a bold-faced liar, who will stop at nothing. Should anyone doubt Mr. Zeifman's veracity regarding the Clintons: theseedsof9-11.com
According to Mr. Zeifman, it’s not just Hillary’s dishonesty; that’s a fact not in dispute. As important: the actual time span she has behaved in a fraudulent manner. "The Clintons corrupted the soul of the Democratic Party." -Henry Ruth, lead Watergate courtroom prosecutor.
I have never heard such a bunch of idiots. You people cannot speak in complete sentences, that should be a sign to you that you do not know what you are talking about. It's as if you are working for the FBI to make liberals seem crazy. Your writing style is like the label on Dr. Bronner's shampoo. What kind of cult are you in? What kind things have you done to get so far out? You will come to realize someday that you have wasted your life. Your cynicism means nothing to people who have lives. You are making the world a dumber place. This could be a forum for intelligent discussion, but for some reason you think it is cool to destroy hope, intelligent thought, and the time you have been given to make a difference on this planet. "It doesn't take a lot to realize that LNG is a bad idea", no but it takes a lifetime of work and intelligence to be in a position to do something like she did. What did you do? She said she does not believe in the raids, she is not president yet, what more do you want. Maybe she is not a single issue activist that acts like a child when someone who has worked hard all their life does not completely agree with self-marginalized idiots. You guys would not have even voted for John Kennedy or Martin Luther King, or Eleanor Roosevelt. How about Darcelle? Her qualifications? Anal warts? get real folks. Life is passing you by. Try surfing, skiing, go for a walk without your cigarettes and drugs.
The One... I like you.
Yes, we all get used to the people who actually think they know what they're talking about and then write and get others to approve of what they write and the WW allows everyone to have a voice. This is good. It gets the grey matter to synapse and this is what intelligence is all about ... considering every point of view.
HillBill are not looking out for America's best interest.
Why, WW, do you not post the information about treason.com?
Kinda ugly truth about the Clintons, et al. eh. I know it freaked me out too.
So, WW & MARK Z., YOU ENDORSED GWB AND LOOK WHAT WE GOT ... yea. Now you want the Bushies best friends back in. Well, well, well, you do know the future now do you not? Remember, however, the law of unintended consequences is always playing out the final hand in god's world, and this does not work in the world of "globalists," look see.
Biloxi, we've never endorsed George W. Bush--never come close. We endorsed Al Gore in 2000, John Kerry in 2004. Here are the links:
wweek.com/html/leada102400.html#fed...
wweek.com/story.php?story=5607
And not to tip our hand or anything, but I'd lay pretty long odds against a WW endorsement of McCain this year.
As for "Now you want the Bushies best friends back in"... I don't have a clue what that's supposed to mean.
Your passion is welcome, Biloxi, but if you want to be part of a conversation, listen to what people are saying and stick to the topic--not to mention reality. If you just want to hammer away on your own pet points, please get your own blog. This has nothing to do with free speech; it's about respecting the time and attention of your fellow WW readers.
“I was so disappointed the other night when the ghastly Hillary got Texas and kept the whole thing going," he told the Independent.
"Please God, let's not have this woman! Hillary will want to make her mark and show that she can be just as good as a male president, and she will fucking invade Iran.
“Trust me. She voted to declare the Iranian Republican Guard a terrorist organisation!"
Pink Floyd’s Roger Waters has attacked democratic hopeful Hillary Clinton – calling the senator from New York “ghastly”.
Uh... We never endorsed Bush. Not ever.
I distinctly recall and remember the "round table" discussions to keep the Bush Family name, oops I mean the fairness open in the elections. There was no fairness other than giving all the unfairness over to the Republican Party, as is now witnessed by the entire planet.
Thanks Guffman, you're doing pretty good too. You have more patience than me.
Love all the code words, and the name dropping Larry, I mean "The one." Good job. You've got everything in that post except the kitchen sink, and it only took an hour and a half. The sophistication is mind-boggling to say the least. Keep up the good work: theseedsof9-11.com
Foreign policy experience touting?
"... Mrs Clinton jumped to the conclusion that he was taking a stand. “I wanted to commend Prime Minister Gordon Brown for agreeing not to go to the opening ceremonies of the Olympics in Beijing,” she said.
"... China, however, has received support from an unlikely figure. The Dalai Lama said yesterday that he would consider going to the event on August 8 if the Chinese Government started to “see things realistically”.
"... Mrs Clinton called on President Bush to boycott the opening ceremony, and is urging her presidential rivals Barack Obama and John McCain to do the same. Mr Obama says that a boycott should be “firmly on the table”, but no decision should be made now. Mr McCain has condemned China’s action in Tibet and advised Mr Bush to keep his options open."
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/oly...
It is interesting that China does not have the body count in prisons that the U.S. does and reportedly the abuses to the Falun Gong come from the propaganda machine of the Freedom House.
George Soros is involved in this freedom movement, joined by his partners the National Endowment for Democracy.
Mrs. Clinton, can we conclude that the analysis conducted in 1999, the NED's involvement for multiple "democracy" fronts including Tibet's independence and Falun Gong practitioners was and is your foreign policy?
President and Mrs. Clinton is your new foreign policy the same as the old and the Cheney/Bush wars have been carefully calculated by the Reagan, GWHBush, Clinton, Bush-Cheney milieu?
WW FINALLY a little passion.
Passion isn't poison.
Furthermore I thought you'd be interested in what the artists of the world were thinking about it all. You are quite correct -- we DO NOT follow the linear pattern but indeed, we are chosen to be the chaos so the pearl can get rubbed into a subtle luster, all that sand does work. I’m a stone carver for more than 40 years so I understand abrasives and how to use them to not damage a precious stone.
Got some in your eyes, heart, mind, soul? Sand?
Indeed I did indeed get your attention now didn't I, else you would not have had two moderators and one that is exceptionally well read, slap ole Biloxi down. Ha Ha, read on.
With all the censorship you enjoy, I highly doubt you'll print anything that I write, but that too is the endorsement I need from WW to know, I finally did wake you the hell up, regardless of your moderator's dictates and insults.
Guess what - JustinCase is my husband and the piece that was so good and well written according to your standards and all ... read on ...
JustinCase is typically my editor and he has a graduate degree - you figure it out since you're so smart.
I decided to test you, to see whether or not my suspicion was correct, WW was/is and most certainly GUILTY of censoring.
Ah, shucks what a bummer that she can actually run a string of sentences together and then people call it “good work.”
Haven't seen anything like the writing of Justin, I mean Biloxi, come from the WW, not in years and years and years I'm afraid.
I'm not sad that you've rejected me, btw. Actually, I consider it quite the ultimate compliment to have come to this point.
Good luck, thanks for opening your eyes and now, bye bye cause I have other work to do in parts of the world that are unseen to the WW – do you actually believe I’ve my feelings hurt?
You seem to get it and I may have to come back, from time to time.
I can move on now but you go ahead and insult me to your audience since it appears this is an asset to you, that is, important to degrade the sand in the oyster.
Do not mistake what is important to me - I know and you know I know.
I could have taken you into an insult arena the likes you do not want to begin to look at. Goya painted it already, go take a look.
Here's a poem from my youngest son for your endorsement of whomever and whatever since you are, after all, the FOURTH ESTATE?
Alpha fedora
señora slurrin’ lies
first in line
climb the ladder
Omega in his eyes
smokescreen brainwash
propaganda base
removing every face
projecting them
to the stars
floating in the ocean
are the rest without a voice
Alpha fedora
only wants to make your choice.
RAW not WAR
Someone needs to take her meds. Again. Would be nice to read more of these discussions on WW but wading through the spacecase ramblings is just too much work.
Get your own blog Biloxi, please.
Ever heard of Clinton and her membership in "The Family" - a Xtian Fundamentalist Elistist Power-hungry group that just happens to include the most vile of politicians who SHOULD be her enemies - not her proto-fascist prayer-pals.
www.technoccult.com/archives/2008/0...
www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehre...
I wish people would start seeing through the Clnton mask and realize her for what she is, an opportunist, a corporatist and a right winger lite dressed in Democratic clothing. Now Hillary is the "Great White Hunter", protecting Pennsytuckians. Give me a break. Now we have to put up with appearances of Hillary, Bill and Chelsea in their desperation to get into the White House. Gay folks? I just don't get the fascination. You're being duped.
It is tragic Hillary is already wiggling out of her first statement regarding MEDICAL marijuana. A few months ago, Hillary CLEARLY STATED SHE WOULD END THE ILLEGAL DEA RAIDS on medical marijuana patients and their clubs, if elected President (the raids could be ended "on a dime," with an executive order from the President; but so far, our Presidents have ALL protected the pharmaceutical industry, at the cost of the people).
But NOW, Hillary is sounding like she too would allow the DEA to continue their questionably legal, morally reprehensible MEDICAL marijuana raids, as she clearly did NOT say she would end the raids.
Her "side-stepping" of the medical marijuana question is most likely calculated and deliberate. Maybe the Clintons have too many pharmaceutical lobby friends for Hillary to do the right thing and END THE INHUMANE RAIDS?!
Pathetic.
"Nothing is more infuriating to a person who has been relieved of crippling nausea than to be told that he has not been relieved. It is almost predictable, for reasons of political harmony and acuity, that the administration will dodge that problem by simply — doing nothing." -- William F. Buckley, from "The Court on High - Medical Marijuana and the Supremes,"_The National Review.